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From: chaspeartree(0)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Global WARMING 
Message:   1 of 159 
Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 00:15:12 -0800 
 
 
Can some benevolent reader direct me to where the "The Sky Is Falling" types are telling us all
about "Global Warming?" 
I'm in the midwest, freezing my bu** off and I thought it might help to know a bit more about
Global Warming; not-so-much about "Global" but how I can get it to effect the now "Ice-Berg
Effect", now in effect in the effectual midwest; effectually, that is..


Brrrr... Chaz 

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From: snipeattack(254)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   2 of 159 (In response to chaspeartree) 
Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 00:27:19 -0800 
 
 
GLOBAL WARMING IS A GOVERMENT COVER UP FOR THE FACT THAT THE ICE AGE IS
ON THE WAY AND HAS BEEN ACCELERATED BY MT.ST HELLENS..THE OIL FIELDS THAT
BURNED FOR ABOUT A YEAR...POLLUTION
.

.

.

TIME TO MOVE SOUTH....LOL

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From: itsmemary(1)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   3 of 159 (In response to chaspeartree) 
Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 00:32:48 -0800 
 
 
It's actually been a lot cooler down here in SE Texas too. No ice or snow but much cooler then
the past couple of years. It definitely puts a hole in the global warming theory. (But I
remember it getting MUCH colder when I was younger then it is now)

Mary 

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From: jrip@ix.netcom.com(201)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   4 of 159 (In response to itsmemary) 
Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 02:04:09 -0800 
 
 
Well, one theory is that when the planet heats up to much, it goes into a cooling down mode. This
winter here in Texas might be unusual cold, but last summer we had 59 strait days with temps way
over a 100. So the answer is... ?

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From: vanyti(54)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   5 of 159 (In response to chaspeartree) 
Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 03:29:28 -0800 
 
 
Hello!

I have no idea where the Global Warming is, but I know it is not here in Tulsa. Have not been
able to get my car out of the driveway for days now, and only by the efforts of the Tulsa
4-Wheeler Club have been able to get to and from work. And I hear more of the white stuff is on
the way *sigh*.


Regards, Van

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From: bestlook(156)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   6 of 159 (In response to chaspeartree) 
Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 05:58:48 -0800 
 
 
We may hear less about Global Warming since Al Gore has been put on the back burner. Somewhere I
read a statement that has really summed it up for me: "it is the height of foolish arrogance for
Man to believe he can alter the entire climatic system of the earth."
Of course it probably is changing, but I doubt that my car and my daily in-and-out breathing is
going to affect it at all.

Anyway, it is true that the rumors of warming have been greatly exaggerated.

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From: mesmorized(256)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   7 of 159 (In response to chaspeartree) 
Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 06:00:38 -0800 
 
 
It feels like global warming here. It is 52 degrees here at 9 am. Unheard of for this part of the
state. All our snow is gone. We need some for Christmas!

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From: wolfsangel(1)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   8 of 159 (In response to chaspeartree) 
Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 06:15:49 -0800 
 
 
There is no such thing as "Global Warming"! The environmental /green movement is the current
(always has been) home of the looney left that feeds off research grants. Global Warming is a
total fake issue used to justify radical solutions to a un-proven - non-existant problem. 
This also falls in line with blaming the prosperous western nations, with the United States in
particular for being, in the eyes of the communist lefties, as evil in our lifestyle by
exploiting the earth . . . . blah . .blah. . .blah . . . Slightly different circus . . same old
marxist subversive clowns.


The rabble-rousing liberal news media constantly reference "Global Warming" as if it were a fact.
It's all NONSENSE insprired by the left! 

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From: assenav(3)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   9 of 159 (In response to wolfsangel) 
Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 07:16:22 -0800 
 
 
Are you just being a TROLL by writing such incredible crap, or do you actually believe the
ASININE NONSENSE you've just committed to this post?!?

The climate IS changing, largely due to pollution and deforestation. Weather systems like El Nino
and La Nina have always been around but they are becoming more and more severe each time they
come around and more frequent. Natural disasters like tornadoes, freak winter storms and the
like are becoming more frequent and more severe. Unseasonably cold AND hot weather is affecting
various areas all over the world all year long. Flooding is more frequent. HUGE chunks are
floating off of Antarctica and there is a massive crack in the surface. There is WATER on the
the top of the Arctic for the first time in, oh, 50 million years. For the first time in
recorded history there are clouds over the Arctic. NEVER until now has there EVER been thunder
and lightning in the Arctic.

Get your head out of the sand buddy. The world is getting screwed and it's ALL our fault. 
 
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From: mishkat(53)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   10 of 159 (In response to chaspeartree) 
Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 07:31:35 -0800 
 
 
Hi Chaz and all -
I am an environmental scientist and I believe global warming is a fact, not a myth. However, it
doesn't mean that all parts of the world are going to experience warmer temperatures at the
present time - the weather patterns are changing right now, and some areas might even get more
snow, more cold, more rain, for a while because of this. 
No one really knows what is going to happen because this is occuring on such a large scale -
people can make predictions, but there is no precendent for this phenomenon, and there are a LOT
of variables to be taken into account. The average temperature of the oceans appears to be going
up, and the ozone layer IS getting thinner, especially near the poles. The effect on fragile
ecosystems like coral reefs, artic areas, etc. will be seen first (and ARE being seen right now
- if you want to see a live coral reef, better go visit one soon.) 

This is not a liberal plot, or a communist plot, or anything political - it is simply the truth.
And yes, the activities of humans CAN change the earth's ecosystem - even on such a large scale.
 

Take care - mishkat

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From: wolfsangel(1)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   11 of 159 (In response to mishkat) 
Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 07:50:59 -0800 
 
 

This is nothing more that arrogant leftist nonsense created to feed off fabricated hysteria by
preying on the gullible and mindless. 

There is NO SUCH THING as GLOBAL WARMING you ignorant dupe!!! 

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From: assenav(3)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   12 of 159 (In response to wolfsangel) 
Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 07:56:45 -0800 
 
 
Oh yeah - Thanks Mishkat - I forgot to mention the holes. The HUGE holes in the Ozone layer that
 are not getting any smaller!! 

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From: assenav(3)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   13 of 159 (In response to wolfsangel) 
Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 08:02:27 -0800 
 
 
Alas Dear Wolfie, it is you who is woefully ignorant. Open your eyes and see what is becoming of
this world. We are overpopulated, and taxing this planet to its very limits. It is by no
coincidence that once thought cured diseases are returning with a vengeance. Disease and
pestilence are the earth's way of combatting this scourge known as humanity. If only these
diseases could selectively attack the obtuse of mind.

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From: mishkat(53)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   14 of 159 (In response to wolfsangel) 
Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 08:00:27 -0800 
 
 

 
I can see you don't have an open mind about the possiblity of global warming - and I'm not sure
why. It would not hurt you to consider the possibility that some of the many research studies
that would have been done on global warming might be true. By the way, I do not see this as a
political issue at all, and I don't understand why you persist in casting it in this light.


You can call me gullible, mindless, and ignorant, but I do work in the field, and I am qualified
to evaluate media reports for their relative merits. I am surprised that you are so sure about
this when most scientists who are studying it are not. Where do you get your information?

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From: assenav(3)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   15 of 159 (In response to mishkat) 
Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 08:09:45 -0800 
 
 
mishkat wrote:

-By the way, I do not see this as a political issue at all, and I don't understand why you
-persist in casting it in this light.


Probably because he is (I'm guessing) one of those who is of the mind that anything that can be
done to save the planet is anti-business/industry. This type of person fails to see that other
businesses and industries will naturally evolve from the change to eco-friendly thinking. These
types don't want a change in the big money status quo of the Big Oil and Logging industries, to
name just two. 

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From: mishkat(53)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   16 of 159 (In response to assenav) 
Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 08:11:01 -0800 
 
 
Well, ANYTHING can be made into a political issue, but there are some things - like global
warming and other environmental problems - that are bigger than politics. Trivializing these
things by making them into purely political issues is not going to make them go away. I don't
know if we will suffer much from global warming in our lifetimes, but I believe that future
generations will unless something is done as soon as possible. However, a lot of people see that
as "not their problem". 
End of rant :)! mishkat

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From: opals4u(229)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   17 of 159 (In response to itsmemary) 
Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 08:26:47 -0800 
 
 
(But I remember it getting MUCH colder when I was younger then it is now)


My theory for this is not Global Warming, but a more realistic cause. 

More people on the planet, thus more homes giving off heat. More vehicles giving off heat.
More industry producing heat.


These are just a few of the new sources of heat, therefore with all this extra heat being
produced it only stands to reason that the planet is going to become warmer, but Global Warming, 
just another Government scare tactic and for what reason, I personaly do not know. 

But I don't think whatever is surposed to happen is going to. 
 
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From: cheechawker(30)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   18 of 159 (In response to mishkat) 
Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 08:23:03 -0800 
 
 


wolfsangel wrote:

-This is nothing more that arrogant leftist nonsense created to feed off
-fabricated hysteria by preying on the gullible and mindless. There is NO SUCH THING as GLOBAL
-WARMING you ignorant dupe!!! 

mishkat wrote:

-I can see you don't have an open mind about the possiblity of global
-warming - and I'm not sure why. It would not hurt you to consider the
-possibility that some of the many research studies that would have been
-done on global warming might be true. By the way, I do not see this as
-a political issue at all, and I don't understand why you persist in casting it in this light.
-You can call me gullible, mindless, and ignorant, but I do work in the
-field, and I am qualified to evaluate media reports for their relative
-merits. I am surprised that you are so sure about this when most scientists who are studying it
-are not. Where do you get your information?



I believe his information is supplied by that idiot Rush Limbaugh! 

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From: mishkat(53)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   19 of 159 (In response to opals4u) 
Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 08:27:46 -0800 
 
 
Hi Opals -
You might also consider the increased amount of carbon dioxide produced by fossil fuel emissions
- combined with lesser amounts of carbon dioxide being used by plants because of deforestation.
This is part of what is causing the thinning of the ozone layer - and we really do NEED the
ozone layer to protect us and other living things. 
TC - mishkat

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From: mishkat(53)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   20 of 159 (In response to cheechawker) 
Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 08:30:25 -0800 
 
 
Nuff said. Ya can't argue with dittoheads.

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From: gems5843(0)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   21 of 159 (In response to assenav) 
Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 08:35:19 -0800 
 
 
Well, maybe we could easily have a solution to this. 
Kill off a few billion people that are producing heat. 

Or we could ban transportation, thus reducing heat. 

Or we could stop all industry, this really produces heat. 

Or I guess we could live in the dark. 

There are many ways to reduce heat. Which would you prefer we do? 

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From: gems5843(0)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   22 of 159 (In response to mishkat) 
Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 08:54:39 -0800 
 
 
That is also a problem, Arguing!

Why argue unless you have a solution? (gems5843) has the solution, Just kill off a couple of
billion people and we will not need all of this burning of fossil fuels. 

Maybe the government wants a reason to start another war. This is as good of an excuse as any and
if the war is large enough, it will solve this (Global Warming?) problem.

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From: mishkat(53)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   23 of 159 (In response to gems5843) 
Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 08:59:16 -0800 
 
 
There is no easy solution to this problem, as you've pointed out. I know that, and I think most
other people do too. However, it doesn't help matters when people unilaterally deny that there
MIGHT even be a problem in the first place.

As I said earlier, it can't hurt to educate yourself about the different theories about global
warming. There are a lot of differing scientific opinions on it (scientists argue more than
ANYONE, imho!), and I don't believe anyone has all the facts in hand at this time. 

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From: opals4u(229)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   24 of 159 (In response to assenav) 
Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 09:07:09 -0800 
 
 
Do you have any suggestions to solve the problem? If so please share them. It is going to take
more than just stop using fossil fuels. If we go to another source, what would you prefer? Is it
practical? We can say what the problems may be but without an alternative, it is senseless to
say what is causing the problem.

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From: jaunfangio(0)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   25 of 159 (In response to opals4u) 
Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 09:05:57 -0800 
 
 
The sky is falling, the sky is falling. Henny Penny 

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From: opals4u(229)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   26 of 159 (In response to mishkat) 
Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 09:13:33 -0800 
 
 
I really think that there is no solution without extreme measures. One little thing is not going
to solve the problem. Maybe put a little more money into Space Exploration to look for other
planets that could be made suitable for human life. This planet is too small for the rapid
population growth. This in my opinion is the ONLY SOLUTION! 
 
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From: mishkat(53)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   27 of 159 (In response to opals4u) 
Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 09:19:21 -0800 
 
 
Hi opals -
I honestly don't know enough about the problem to propose any serious solution. However, I think
that recognizing that a problem exists is the first step in finding any kind of solution. As you
pointed out, we need FUNDED research into various alternatives - whatever they may be. 
Fossil fuels aren't going to last forever, so that may solve part of the problem in the end - but
there may be irreparable damage before that time.


TC, mishkat

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From: opals4u(229)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   28 of 159 (In response to mishkat) 
Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 09:31:53 -0800 
 
 
Funded research is the only solution, whatever it may be. We spend more money electing a 
president than we do for Space exploration at this time.
As you can guess, I am a sci-fi fan, but look back and you will see that most Sci-fi of 50 years
ago is now science reality. If a person can think it up, it can be done.

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From: mishkat(53)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   29 of 159 (In response to opals4u) 
Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 09:41:26 -0800 
 
 
Hi again, opals -
I work on grant-funded (state, government, and private) research into waste management, and our
funding definitely determines the topics of the research we are able to conduct. There are a lot
of things we would LOVE to work on, but that no one wants to pay for - and these are practical
things, too! In other words, APPLIED science vs PURE science - although I think pure science
needs to be funded as well. 
I'm a big sci-fi fan too - when I was a kid, I wished so much that Star Trek could be real within
my lifetime (there is a great sci-fi story about this by James Tiptree!) I'm afraid that most
people don't want to fund space exploration at this time because they feel that it's
impractical, but if it could be shown that there was a true need for it, then maybe the public
would have a better attitude. 

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From: opals4u(229)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   30 of 159 (In response to mishkat) 
Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 09:56:09 -0800 
 
 
What truer need than the avoidance of the destruction of our planet???? If this is not the most
important need, then please tell me what is. Many people feel that because it may not happen in
our lifetimes, let the next generation worry about it.
Well, it may be too late then, but what do we care, we got what we wanted.
Selfishness is spreading through the world at an unbelievable rate. What can I get for little or
nothing. We see it in abundance right here on Ebay.

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From: opals4u(229)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   31 of 159 (In response to opals4u) 
Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 10:02:31 -0800 
 
 
Well, I have to get to work now or I will not be able to pay for my new spaceship!
Take care and will talk to you later.

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From: mishkat(53)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   32 of 159 (In response to opals4u) 
Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 10:05:53 -0800 
 
 
Hey, I agree with you - but as you said, most people figure that if it ain't happening to them
NOW, it's not a problem. And they would rather get an extra 20 bucks a month (or whatever) tax
relief than pay for funded research into solutions for environmental problems. I'm not sure if
this is selfishness as much as it is short-sighted and narrow-minded thinking.

Also, because I work in waste management, I have experienced first-hand how people would like
solutions that do NOT impact them negatively in any way. For example, everyone makes trash, but
no one wants to live near a landfill - ditto with sewage sludge disposal areas and the like. I
honestly do understand how these people feel but where do they think all that stuff SHOULD go?


Well, another rant, and I could go on and on, but I'll spare everyone! mishkat

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From: terryl@coshocton.com(53)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   33 of 159 (In response to wolfsangel) 
Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 10:09:15 -0800 
 
 
You are right, Global Warming is pure B.S.. WE won't hear much about Global warming now that
anti-gun, communist AL Gore is out of the picture.

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From: a3whaler(75)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   34 of 159 (In response to opals4u) 
Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 12:20:01 -0800 
 
 
Space Exploration? Think about it. When those rockets take off, they can't possibly get into
outer space without first poking a hole in the *gasp* ozone layer!

According to NASA, "there has
been a long-term global warming trend underway since the early 1960's." The space race began in
earnest in the early 1960's. Coincedence? I think not.

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From: ant1pas(30)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   35 of 159 (In response to a3whaler) 
Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 12:58:00 -0800 
 
 
Actually, this is a reply to all the global warning people...you were just the last one on the
list.

There was once a guy named Thomas Malthus who took the time to study the rate of population
growth and the rate at which agricultural output was increasing. When he compared the two, he
found that the former was increasing exponentially while the other was plodding along. He
concluded from that data that eventually we would all starve. The problem with the conclusion
was that he was only looking at a few variables, without realizing that there are millions of
other factors, just like global-warming believers just look at ozone and pollution and expect
that everything will continue predictably. We know know that Malthus was wrong; decades from now
we'll look back and realize that the current doomsayers are wrong. The Vogons will get us long
before the UV radiation does. 

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From: wolfsangel(1)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   36 of 159 (In response to chaspeartree) 
Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 13:34:15 -0800 
 
 

GLOBAL WARMING & OTHER JUNK SCIENCE 

It would seem that a number of the the lower-end loony left and their empty-headed fellow
travelers have crawled from the woodwork with your posting on this bogus "GLOBAL WARMING"
nonsense. 

The pure ignorance and hysteria of these uninformed "save the world" arrogant fools never ceases
to astound. They allow themselves to be propagandized by a horde of fortuitous kooks, half-baked
marxists and ding-a-ling environmental scientist weirdo types. 

If these pathetic nutjobs didn't take this "Global Warming" garbage as gospel truth, then it
would actually be quite funny. 




ANOTHER CONCERNED SCIENTIST for GLOBAL WARMING

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From: assenav(3)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   37 of 159 (In response to gems5843) 
Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 13:52:14 -0800 
 
 
gems5843 wrote:

-Well, maybe we could easily have a solution to this. Kill off a few billion people that are
-producing heat. 

Rest assured during the coming 21st Century Mother Nature will find a way to begin this task. She
has always found a way in the past to control the population. She's just running a little behind
this time.

 
-Or we could ban transportation, thus reducing heat. 


There are other means of energy besides fossil fuels. If more money was spent in the research and
development of alternate energy we could begin the process of weaning ourselves off of these
environment destroyers. At the moment other methods are not viable due to cost and practicality,
but once time and effort are afforded them they will become worthy alternatives. Technology can
be a wonderful thing if the effort is given. Just look at the progress of the computer in the
past decade alone. Big business would have people believe that alternatives aren't worthwhile
because they don't want to lose money in their own fields of investment. If only they realized
that if they began to invest themselves into the alternatives they could be on the ground floor
of the transition that IS going to have to happen sooner or later. 

-Or we could stop all industry, this really produces heat. 

See above statement. 

-Or I guess we could live in the dark. 

Again, see above statement. 

=There are many ways to reduce heat. Which would you prefer we do? 

I prefer to stop living in ignorance. That is the first step. 

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From: assenav(3)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   38 of 159 (In response to opals4u) 
Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 13:54:58 -0800 
 
 
opals4u wrote:

-Do you have any suggestions to solve the problem? If so please share
-them. It is going to take more than just stop using fossil fuels. If we
-go to another source, what would you prefer? Is it practical? We can
-say what the problems may be but without an alternative, it is senseless to say what is causing
-the problem.


Please see my last posting. There are alternates already available and more to be discovered.
TIME, EFFORT and MONEY must be given to them in order for them to become viable.

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From: assenav(3)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   39 of 159 (In response to bestlook) 
Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 13:59:34 -0800 
 
 
bestlook wrote:

-We may hear less about Global Warming since Al Gore has been put on the
-back burner. Somewhere I read a statement that has really summed it up
-for me: "it is the height of foolish arrogance for Man to believe he
-can alter the entire climatic system of the earth." 

Whoever said that obviously has no grasp on the situation. It is not man alone who has changed
it. It is man and all of the things he has created and destroyed in the process of creating. 


-Of course it probably is changing, but I doubt that my car and my daily in-and-out
-breathing is going to affect it at all. 

Not just you, but the 5 other billion that are here as well. 

-Anyway, it is true that the rumors of warming have been greatly exaggerated.

'Fraid NOT!

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From: assenav(3)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   40 of 159 (In response to opals4u) 
Sent: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 14:03:14 -0800 
 
 
opals4u wrote:

-I really think that there is no solution without extreme measures. YES! And they have to begin
-NOW. One little thing is not going to solve the problem. Maybe put a little
-more money into Space Exploration to look for other planets that could
-be made suitable for human life.


Oh great, let's start befouling the rest of the galaxy. I think we need to solve the problems
here first before we start to move on. Have you learned nothing from sci-fi?

-This planet is too small for the rapid population growth. This in my opinion is the 
-ONLY SOLUTION! 

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