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The following is a thread, trolls, typos and all, from The Soapbox
which discusses the environment and some of it's many problems.

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From: assenav(3)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   121 of 159 (In response to terryl) 
Sent: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:20:13 -0800 
 
 
terryl@coshocton.com wrote:

-You are simply talking about littering, which I beleive people who litter is a whole different
-story. Littering is wrong. 

Okay, that's a start. Now just understand this: just because we can't see the gases we are
spewing into the atmosphere (once they've gone beyond the smokestacks and out of the backsides
of our cars) does not mean it isn't littering!!!!

Why do you insist on labelling the EPA as Communist? Mishkat just finished explaining how
conservative they actually are. Republican initiated even - a panacea perhaps for the masses to
believe that something is being done - not to say that the EPA hasn't contributed anything
positive, but they should be doing more. Labelling something as Communist is just an ignorant
catch-all, scape-goat of a phrase for when you really don't understand what is going on. Bitter
enemies usually fail to see the inherent similarities in their idealogies. (One only need look at
the similarities in most of the major world religions, which each decry the others as being
Ungodly and inferior, to acknowledge that fact.) Look at the monolith known as Starbucks. One
can't walk more than a few blocks without seeing yet another new store popping up. The height of
corporate, Capitalistic American success, but isn't it Communism that strives for complete
sameness and adherence to one set of standards?

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From: fzwartney(33)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   122 of 159 (In response to chaspeartree) 
Sent: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 10:55:52 -0800 
 
 
It's working great here (NOT!). It's -33 with a wind chill equivalent to around -65 right now
... but at least the sun is shining :-) 


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From: kzoomn(45)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   123 of 159 (In response to snipeattack) 
Sent: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 11:18:50 -0800 
 
 
According to my calculations the problem doesn't exist. 

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From: junkerss(111)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   124 of 159 (In response to assenav) 
Sent: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 12:19:24 -0800 
 
 
YOU JUST HIT ON IT - OVERPOPULATED!!! EVERYTHING IS GOING TO FALL
APART IF THE WORLD , THE ENTIRE WORLD , DOESN'T DO SOMETHING TO SLOW
DOWN THE POPULATION EXPLOSION.VERY FEW WANT TO ADMIT THAT
THIS IS THE REAL PROBLEM , BUT ALL OF THE OTHER SOLUTIONS , MANY OF
THEM RIDICULOUSLY EXPENSIVE, ARE JUST BAND-AIDS THAT WILL NOT SOLVE
ANYTHING IN THE LONG RUN.

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From: jrip@ix.netcom.com(201)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   125 of 159 (In response to junkerss) 
Sent: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 14:00:37 -0800 
 
 

You will not get an argument from me here. It is the number one problem. Some countries have
already adapted to this. Italy has the lowest birthrate with 1.4 children per couple, Germany
has 1.6. Most european countries are close to those numbers also. But the US still has a high
birthrate, but not compared to countries like India or Afrika. Yes, by reducing population a lot
of the problems would be managable. But they would not disapear, it takes real changes in our
enviromental policies to do that. We spend so much money on space exploration or more malls,
more stores, wider strets etc, when non of it helps us to deal with the problems. If all that
effort and money would go into researching better energy sources, family-planning, more sensible
farming and cleaner industies we would soon live in a cleaner, healthier world.

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From: jrip@ix.netcom.com(201)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   126 of 159 (In response to kzoomn) 
Sent: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 14:02:44 -0800 
 
 

And what qualifies you to make acurate calculations ? What is your field of expertise?

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From: assenav(3)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   127 of 159 (In response to jrip) 
Sent: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 14:54:22 -0800 
 
 
Well, first of all the Pope has to STOP telling largely Catholic countries like Brazil not to use
birth control. It's disgusting that in a country of such overwhelming poverty and over-crowding
that parents actually sell their own children because they are so poor, that a man with such
influence would continue centuries old, man made doctrines designed only to breed a steady flow
of parishioners (read money & power) in a time when the population was still low, and disease
did kill off a lot more people. 

However, on a disconcerting note, recent studies have shown that fewer people of "intelligence"
(whatever that means - you decide) are procreating these days. The meek shall truly inherit the
earth.

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From: chaspeartree(0)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   128 of 159 (In response to fzwartney) 
Sent: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 16:22:27 -0800 
 
 
Wow - now, that's downright cool!! Lessee now; can't say "cold" I guess - in light of all the
expertise herein stated. Never did I hope to see so much education when I first started this
thread. 
Cold? Absolute ZERO? Yeah, that's cold! So then, anything above A.Z. must be a degree of warmth??
Hmmm


In the end and I hope we've reached an end to this particular post, I'll probably believe what I
believe; and right now, I BELIEVE I'll have a beer!!


Join me?? 

Happy Holidays y'all and KEEP WARM KIDDO!! 

Chaz 

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From: mishkat(53)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   129 of 159 (In response to chaspeartree) 
Sent: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 16:57:32 -0800 
 
 
Hi chaz -
I usually "believe I'll have a beer" at the end of the working day, so I can agree with you on
that one. I do hope that you'll read some of the posts in this thread, though - and that you
will understand that I wasn't trying to trade on any "expertise" I have! Hey, I know what I know
about what I know - but more importantly, I respect the fact that I don't know it all, and that
I can always learn from other people. (I have not met one person in my life who I could not
learn from.) And my brother and sister love me because I'm able to answer their kids' science
questions so they don't have to :)! ("You have to ask Aunt Kate" is the answer they always
give...)

Take care, mishkat
a.k.a. "Aunt Kate" :)

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From: eladspal(68)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   130 of 159 (In response to a3whaler) 
Sent: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:07:35 -0800 
 
 
a3whaler wrote:

-80! What would you charge to ship me some of that? Winter started early
-here in Maine - we got our first snowfall in October! 


LOL! Well, maybe I should run an auction! But seriously, I AM in California but it's too hot for
the season, and the Santa Anas are blowing like crazy, it's more like a normal October. Very
weird weather for December -- has been for at least the last three years. 

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From: mishkat(53)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   131 of 159 (In response to terryl) 
Sent: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:27:42 -0800 
 
 
terryl@coshocton.com wrote:

-Yes I have in fact dealt with the End of Productive America communists.
-Read my earlier post. I also spent ten years as a village councilman.
-BTW, that village had a population of 350, small town and small government. You would not
-beleive the EPA communists mandates they come
-up with. Another communist ten commandment is to eliminate all small
-government. Boy do they ever work on that one.



Hey Terry - I did go back and read your message about the EPA. I can't really comment on it
without knowing all the fact, but I do know that I think the EPA is way too strict sometimes and
way too lax at other times (this is just my opinion - and you know what opinions are worth!) 

I also know FIRST HAND that the EPA does listen to people from small towns. So if you still feel
bad about anything that happened to you or your village, write to them. Get everyone in your
village to sign it - I am telling you that this really does work.


However - and this is where I will disagree with you - I still believe that the EPA does more
good than harm. If you want to see what life is like in an nation that does not promulage or
enforce its environmental regulations, go to the border towns of Mexico. A bunch of US companies
have moved there to escape environmental regulation, and those towns are horrible. I do no
think that there is any way you would want to live in any of those towns.


It is true that bureaucratic entities (including the EPA) can often be rigid and non-adaptable. I
have experienced this personally - I work in waste managent AND am an environmentalist. So I
know that wastes have to be disposed of somewhere - and that they are not just going to go away
if no one want to take them (which, BTW, is why your landfill doesn't want to take refrigerators
or tires!)


However, I think that you - or anyone who is priviledged enough to live in the U.S.A. - should be
glad that we do have that bureaucracy in place. Even though it's a pain in the bu** sometimes,
it does save us from some things that we probably wouldn't tolerate. I am sure you wouldn't like
to have a used tire dump in YOUR backyard :) 

TC - mishkat

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From: a3whaler(75)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   132 of 159 (In response to eladspal) 
Sent: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 17:32:17 -0800 
 
 
The winds off the Atlantic have been blowing like crazy here and tonight they'll be whipping in a
foot of new snow. If you smell White Rain and rum on that warm California breeze, that'll be me
with my toddy and aerosol battling the storm.

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From: terryl@coshocton.com(53)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   133 of 159 (In response to mishkat) 
Sent: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 19:10:24 -0800 
 
 
Us companies have went to Mexico to escape EPA regulations. That is 100% correct. And you know
what else? Those Mexicans are tickled to death because they had nothing to begin with. If you
have poverty, you live in poverty. The USA is not in poverty.......................NOT YET.

We americans take pride in our country. IT is OUR country. We don't need a communist organization
like the EPA telling us what we need to do. Thanks to The EPA that is why those companies went
to Mexico. In my home county the EPA put 9000 coal miners out of work with their acid rain
bullcrap. Now if you want to see poverty go to HARRISON county OHIO.

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From: opals4u(229)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   134 of 159 (In response to jrip) 
Sent: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 19:38:04 -0800 
 
 
Maybe Italy with that extra .4 child could get together with Germany's extra .6 child and end up
with a whole child.

Reply to this message 

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From: mishkat(53)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   135 of 159 (In response to terryl) 
Sent: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 19:44:07 -0800 
 
 
Hey Terry - I found your message kind of contradictory. 
I have done a lot of work in the coal fields of Southwestern Virginia and southern West Virginia.
You do not have to tell me that people are poor in those areas. But they are also very proud and
sure of themselves and do NOT complain about being "in poverty". They are willing to do what it
takes to support their families. 

Also, the coalfields of Applalachia (not sure about Ohio) voted Democratic in this election and
they will probably continue to vote Democratic in subsequent elections (and I can tell you that
people there are usually very conservative otherwise.) This is because the unions and the
government have really helped conditions down there. Yeah, there is a lot of complaining, but I
think people in the coalfields here do know that unions - combined with government regulation,
have really improved and saved a lot of lives. (Also, mining is usually regulated by the
Department of the Interior, NOT the E.P.A. - at least in this area! Surface Mining and Control
Act of 1977 is the big law around here - and it's enforced by the Dept. of the Interior.)


Also, I think it's completely untrue about the Mexicans being "tickled to death" about having
those chemical companies in their back yards. Or maybe the "to death" part is accurate. It is
horrible in those border towns - maybe you ought to take a visit and see what you think. I
honestly do not think you would want to live there. You might even "thank" the EPA after you see
what things are like there. 

I still don't understand the "communist" part of your post, to tell you the truth - or else you
are far more of a libertarian than I can imagine. I agree with some of your complaints about the
EPA, but as I said, I think they do more good than harm. I have heard the same things about OSHA
- do you think they should be abolished as well? My brother is VERY politically conservative,
and alternates in between complaining about OSHA and calling in complaints to them! He was also
in a serious construction accident where OSHA took action immediately after he was injured -
personally, I am glad OHSA is here - with all their flaws! I feel the same way about the EPA -
yes, there is room for improvement, but things can change.


Don't forget that we do live in a democracy, and your voice counts too. If you feel really
strongly about this issue, it might be more productive to voice it elsewhere than eBay. (I can
personally testify that the EPA answers letters from private citizens - I didn't realize this
for years!)


Take care, mishkat

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From: terryl@coshocton.com(53)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   136 of 159 (In response to mishkat) 
Sent: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 20:00:52 -0800 
 
 
The people in our former coal mines do not complain either. You will look hard to find harder
workers. Most of the area voted democrat too. 

The Mexicans have work now, probably don't pay much. But sure was more than they had before.


The same agencies you mentioned oversee our coalfeilds also. The EPA started the acid rain
bullcrap {HIGH SULFER COAL} therefore the mines are closed. Yes they all voted democrat also,
but don't come in the area and tell anyone your with the EPA. You would be as welcome as a fox
in a hen house.

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From: mishkat(53)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   137 of 159 (In response to terryl) 
Sent: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:53:30 -0800 
 
 
Hey Terry, I know about the high sulfur coal issue. The coal miners in Virginia are lucky because
they don't have to deal with that, and that makes the coal here more valuable. The mining
operators here are still mad at Stuart Udall for the Surface Mining and Reclamation Act of 1977
- I can tell you that that guy should NEVER come to the coalfields. But it does look a lot
better around here since that law was passed. 

The miners here still have a lot of problems with the large coal companies though (Pittson comes
to mind here, but I'm sure there are others). I really have respected almost all the people I
have met from the coalfields - I agree with you that they are some of the hardest workers you
can find - IF they have work!


It is true that high sulfur coal causes acid rain - and this is not "bullcrap" - but these big
power companies can deal with that with better scrubbers that have ALREADY been developed.
However, the power companies just don't want to pay for that YET - although I believe that they
will in the future. They are also going to have to deal with the disposal of fly ash and other
coal combustion residues - I'm sure you wouldn't want a truckload of that stuff dumped in your
back yard. I feel that this is more of a capitalist (profit-oriented) problem than a "communist"
problem. There are a LOT of people working on these problems right now - can't say that the EPA
has funded it, but other organizations and companies have.


The conditions in the border area of Mexico are horrible. Yes, more people have work, but they
have to worry about their kids playing around drainage ditches full of toxic chemicals,
breathing polluted air, drinking polluted water, and things like that. Would you really want
to trade that for what we have in the US?


I don't want to be preachy, but I do believe is that if you or your family was ever affected by a
problem resulting from improper disposal of potentially toxic waste, you would WANT the EPA's -
or someone's - help - and it's very possible that they would not give it to you. Read "A Civil
Action" - or see the movie. It's a true story - and the movie is a fairly accurate dramatization
of the story. The sad part is that improper waste disposal and pollution affects people like you 
and me, and sometimes we have no recourse - regulations and all. (Or you can always talk to some
of the people who have lived in the coal fields all their lives - they've got a lot to say about
"big business"!) 

I feel weird defending the EPA from this side of the question because I'm usually defending them
against people who say that the EPA doesn't do ENOUGH regulating. I think that the EPA - and
other national, state, and local government agencies are flawed - VERY flawed sometimes - but
they are what we have right now. I agree with you that there is a lot of room for improvement,
but I don't think that saying that the whole agency is run by "communists" is going to help
anything. 

Take care - mishkat

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From: chaspeartree(0)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   138 of 159 (In response to mishkat) 
Sent: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 22:11:55 -0800 
 
 
Hello "Aunt Kate"...

Yes, indeedee!! I read most of the entries on this thread; some, I just scanned over quickly as
they were obviously written and directed to the wrong post.


In most all cases, from the position I'm usually in, I learn from Everyone - some are easier for
me to grasp; others take a bit more concentration on my part, however.


I'm convinced that there can be and are remedies for environmental damage already done. Example:
Lake Erie's improvement for marine life after that momentous occasion where the pollution in the
Cuyahoga River actually caught fire.


Thanks so much for your input; it is, I suspect, very much appreciated by many readers; me,
especially.


Happy Holidays! Chaz 

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From: mishkat(53)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   139 of 159 (In response to chaspeartree) 
Sent: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 22:30:35 -0800 
 
 
Hey Chaz - thanks.

And I know what you mean about Lake Erie - I lived in Cleveland for about a year and the FIRST
thing I wanted to see there was the Cuyahoga - which of course is really cleaned up now, along
with Lake Erie. Lake Erie was my favorite place to go in Cleveland.


As you probably know, the Cuyahoga river didn't actually catch on fire - it was some waterborne
debris on the river - which WAS really polluted at the time. But the then-mayor made a national
statement about it, and it's now become history.


take care - mishkat

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From: assenav(3)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   140 of 159 (In response to terryl) 
Sent: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 22:38:17 -0800 
 
 
In animal life one of the laws of basic survival is that one must Adapt or Die Out. As human
animals, we too must adapt or suffer the consequences. Whether one chooses a job as a coal miner
or an office worker, it is not a God given right that you are entitled to have that job for the
rest of your life.

Businesses change and employees are forced to adapt to new roles within that business or move
into new lines of employment all the time, without any kind of EPA involvement. I'm sorry if
that person has known only one job and has no other skills, but new skills can be learned, jobs
can be found elsewhere. Adapt.

The problem with many people who find themselves suddenly unemployed for whatever the reason, is
that they have not had the foresight to prepare for such a circumstance. No savings have been
set aside, too many frivolous purchases have been made "to keep up with the Joneses", families
have been started without proper planning, and no thought has been given to other job options
should unemployment occur.

As for the self-employed and the entrepreneurs: If you have started a business and you can't
afford the methods in which to properly and safely run that business, you shouldn't be running
that kind of business.

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From: jrip@ix.netcom.com(201)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   141 of 159 (In response to assenav) 
Sent: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 23:17:00 -0800 
 
 
A large area of Germany used to mine for coal and it was the main industry and main income source 
for that area. This area included three large cities and lots of smaller ones. But polution got
so bad that when you hung out your laundry to dry it got black. When you repainted your house it
took less then one year to turn a dirty grey. Many children suffered from all kinds of
illnesses, many of the miners died young from lungdesease. When things got too bad, the german
goverment decided to close all coalmines in a very short time. The fuss and carying on that
started with this anouncement you would not believe. Dire conciquences were predicted, the
economy was going to break done, unemployment would be skyhigh, families would have to go on
wellfare. But for the next three years miners were retrained to a proffesion of their choice and
slowly fed into a different workforce. This happend about 25 years ago. 4 years after the
closing of the coalmines the entire fuss was pretty much forgotten and today most people cannot
even imagine how dirty and ugly this section of Germany once was. It can be done, there are
different options for loggers, fishermen and miners. And often it turns into a very positive
change for those involved. 

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From: assenav(3)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   142 of 159 (In response to jrip) 
Sent: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 23:43:59 -0800 
 
 
Thank you for confirming my post with factual evidence! Cheers! 

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From: jrip@ix.netcom.com(201)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   143 of 159 (In response to assenav) 
Sent: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 09:47:01 -0800 
 
 
Prosit to you, too. :-)

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From: jrip@ix.netcom.com(201)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   144 of 159 (In response to assenav) 
Sent: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 07:14:10 -0800 
 
 
Bump

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From: opals4u(229)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   145 of 159 (In response to assenav) 
Sent: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 09:40:16 -0800 
 
 


There are many young people that have not lived long enough to notice any changes, but I can
remember in the 50's, having to trudge through snow up to my armpits for almost a mile to catch
the schoolbus, which needed chains and a snowplow on it to get through. Now if we get a foot of
snow it is considered a storm. 
I can remember when the Hudson River used to freeze solid to the bottom in the North Creek area
and ice jams had to be blown with explosives to keep the ice from taking out the bridge.
Now the river hardly ever freezes even on the top. 

These are just two things that come to my mind right away. Now some of you that think there is no
Golabal Warming problem, please explain this because this is a change that has taken place in as
little as 40 some years.

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From: jrip@ix.netcom.com(201)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   146 of 159 (In response to assenav) 
Sent: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 18:51:59 -0800 
 
 
The effects of global warming have shown itself all over the world. Islands are slowly becoming
smaller as the oceanlevels rise. Lake and creeks with no life in them due to the acitity of the
water, the increae in airpolution due to more and more deforeststation. It does not take much to
see the evidence with your own eyes. Just take a look at an arial photograph taken of Los
Angeles.

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From: assenav(3)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   147 of 159 (In response to assenav) 
Sent: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 19:46:44 -0800 
 
 
Global warming effects a lot of what most people never see. The beautiful and wondrous coral
reefs found deep below the oceans all over the world are dying because of the increase in water
temperature. The death of coral has effects on the entire oceanic food chain, which also has an
effect on the rest of the planet.

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From: jkyle2(240)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   148 of 159 (In response to chaspeartree) 
Sent: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 06:11:35 -0800 
 
 
Our planet is millions of years old and in that time has went through many changes, none of which
the human race can be blamed or take responsibility for. There was massive global warming that
caused glaciers to move and form the Grand Canyon, Mississippi river and more. Truth is the
earth has chaged ever since the begining, is probably not through changing, and we can't do
anything about it, so we better learn to adapt.

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From: assenav(3)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   149 of 159 (In response to jkyle2) 
Sent: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 07:54:52 -0800 
 
 
Yes, that's very true, but what we are experiencing now is an accellerated change that is caused
by pollution and a serious lack of forestry to help filter the crap. The earth is overpopulated
and and everything we are doing to accommodate the number of people on this planet is of
detriment to it. Please read the entire thread! 

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From: southern-lights(6)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   150 of 159 (In response to assenav) 
Sent: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 18:54:18 -0800 
 
 

Global warming ...or cooling for that matter is a natural course of events that would and will
take place no matter what we do or have done.The earth could care less about us or what we do.To
think other wise is either arrogant or ignorant. If you study geologic history you will find
that the earth goes thru cycles of heating up and cooling down;each one lasting about 1000
years.It generally is a 700 year cooling down period followed by a 300 heating up period.We are
currently in the beginning of a heating up cycle,in the next 300 or so years the average earth
temperature will rise possibly as much as 5 degrees.The earth has been doing this since it was
formed and will continue to do it long after we are gone.So give up the chicken little
routine,the sky isnt falling...or if it is ....we didn't cause it,and can't do anything about
it.

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From: assenav(3)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   151 of 159 (In response to southern-lights) 
Sent: Mon, 25 Dec 2000 21:23:57 -0800 
 
 
To think that all of the crap we are pumping into our air and water on a perpetual basis, and
that all of the forests, rain and otherwise, we are ransacking all over the world has no effect
whatsoever to the atmosphere is nothing but denial, arrogance and complete ignorance. Again I
say, please read the entire thread, before you post such a narrowly thought out comment.

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From: assenav(3)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   152 of 159 (In response to chaspeartree) 
Sent: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 17:10:27 -0800 
 
 

Alright Bill Baby!!! Three Cheers for President Clinton!!! By Executive Order today he has helped
to protect the Alaskan wilderness!!!
I know Dubya's gonna try his hardest to turn it around once he's in office ((((shudder)))) but
let's hope he's too stupid to figure out how!

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From: thp59(45)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   153 of 159 (In response to assenav) 
Sent: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 18:15:02 -0800 
 
 
....uhhh coldest Nov-Dec in the US ever.....

When do the alarmists dust off the old "the ice age is coming" routine? 

Oops, I forgot. Unusually cold weather is also an effect of global warming. To these people there
is absolutely nothing that can disprove global warming.


The earth has been through numerous ice ages and warming periods. (believe it or not, this even
happened before the first automobile was ever invented). Another factoid for the alarmists... at 
least 5% of greenhouse gases are caused by livestock passing gas. Should we have emission
controls on sheep? Just curious.

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From: assenav(3)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   154 of 159 (In response to thp59) 
Sent: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 18:52:24 -0800 
 
 
Blah, Blah, Blah. READ THE WHOLE THREAD!!!

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From: thp59(45)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   155 of 159 (In response to assenav) 
Sent: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 13:15:22 -0800 
 
 

My God!!!!!! There are 154 items!!! Just who the heck has the time to muddle through all this
mush?


I just want to know if there are any plans for emission controls on livestock?


P.S. Yes the earth is warming....it's been going on for a few hundred years now, long before the
introduction of power plants and autos. 

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From: mishkat [no profile available]  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   156 of 159 (In response to thp59) 
Sent: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 13:25:28 -0800 
 
 
You are correct about warming cycles - the earth has been going through a "warming" cycle since
the end of the last ice age. This doesn't mean that the current global warming cycle isn't being
accelerated by the release of CO2 and other gases into the atmosphere - as a result of human
activities. If you look at the effects of historic global warming and cooling cycles on the
earths climate, they were what we'd consider "catastropic" today - and many species were NOT
able to "adapt" fast enough.

If you don't have time to read the thread, then please read some other material about global
warming - ideally, something in which both sides of the issue are presented from a scientific
point of view (and BTW, almost ALL scientists agree that global warming is happening - but they
do disagree about the rate and the subsequent effects.) 

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From: win-pub(603)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   157 of 159 (In response to assenav) 
Sent: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 15:14:31 -0800 
 
 
The Criminal Clinton to be Indicted by Federal Grand Jury 
Thank God that this treasonous subversive Clinton will be soon flushed down the toilet in a
couple of week's time. This sociopath degenerate Clinton can still do a lot of damage in the
meantime. 

President Bush should be able to write an over-ride Executive Order to nullify this vandalism
perpetrated by this impeached thug. 

Hopefully too, the lawbreaker Clinton will be indicted next month and face multiple felony
charges. There will be no pardon granted Clinton by President George W. Bush especially after
the nefarious behavior in these sunset days of the vile Clintonazi regime.

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From: assenav(3)   (view author's auctions)  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   158 of 159 (In response to win-pub) 
Sent: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 15:25:41 -0800 
 
 
Go back and crawl under your rock you ignorant troll. 

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From: englandboy [no profile available]  
Topic: Re: Global WARMING 
Message:   159 of 159 (In response to terryl) 
Sent: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 05:58:57 -0800 
 
 
terryl@coshocton.com wrote:

-I also spent ten years as a village councilman.



And the last 20 as the village idiot. 

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